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look to the pasta ([personal profile] annakovsky) wrote2012-02-02 04:11 pm
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Parks and Recreation and Mediocrity

I wrote this whole thing after last week's Parks episode, and it might be a really unpopular opinion but whatever, I'm going to post it now before tonight's because I am pretty concerned about the direction the show is going and I don't knowwwwwww, you guys. There hasn't been an episode I super loved and instantly wanted to rewatch since The Treaty back in November, and even before that there was a lot more mediocrity than last season, and with the campaign I'm worried they've painted themselves into a corner they won't be able to get out of. HOPEFULLY TONIGHT'S EPISODE WILL BE BETTER, BUT I AM WORRIED.

First of all, established relationships are boring, and all this focus on Leslie/Ben has been super boring. I thought once they were back together we could all move on with our lives and get back to the regular ensemble show, but Leslie is still spending most of her time interacting with Ben and ughhhhhhhhhhh. THEY'RE LIKE THE SAME PERSON, THERE'S NO TENSION HERE, LET HER TALK TO RON OR ANDY OR SOMETHING.

Then to GET tension in that relationship they keep -- like, okay. Full disclosure, I HATED Ben in the episode with the negative campaign ad. I did not see both sides. Most people did, and that's fine, but I REALLY DID NOT. I feel like going negative as the FIRST THING a campaign does is a shitty thing to do in the first place (especially when you're spending all your money on it, so it's the ONE THING that people will see about your candidate), and then wanting to go negative for LESLIE KNOPE is just like, have you ever met Leslie Knope? And then when Leslie said she would never do that in a million years, to keep pushing it? Uh, it was a pretty clear statement of what she wanted, and she's the candidate -- it's her name on the ad. So if she doesn't want to go negative, YOU DON'T GO NEGATIVE. And it didn't help that his first ad sounded like Gob Bluth's negative ad against Steve Holt. Like, I was fine with the compromise ad they eventually got to, but omg, so unacceptable before that.

Last week's episode wasn't as bad, because obviously Leslie was being obsessive (which was adorable as always) -- but. Basically Leslie was being the way she always is in that kind of situation, and Ben spent the whole episode being like, "BAD DOG. NO." It's not HELPFUL. You're never going to stop Leslie by acting like that! Ron Swanson would know never to act like that with her because it's pointless! And I just feel like lately Ben thinks things are wrong with Leslie ALL THE TIME. You're a steamroller, Leslie! No, wait, you have to be tougher, Leslie! Stop being so fixated, Leslie! That's not sexy fighting, that's just being kind of awful, even when you have a point. YOU'RE HER BOYFRIEND AND YOU USED TO THINK SHE WAS GREAT, WHY AREN'T YOU ON HER SIDE ANYMORE. And why is it always Leslie who has something wrong with her to manufacture tension between them? I CAN THINK OF A LOT OF THINGS WRONG WITH YOU, BEN, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START ENUMERATING THEM. 1) YOU'RE A WET BLANKET AND A NEGATIVE NELLY.

I mean, whatever, sometimes I still like them, and the kissing last week was super hot, but overall, Leslie/Ben is just getting old and there's too much of it and Ben is going to have to be a lot nicer/more delightful to win me back.

So that's a problem. And then overall I seem to come out of every episode feeling like the whole thing just didn't quite hang together, in a way I can't put my finger on. I think maybe with the campaign they just have too many balls in the air? Everyone feels scattered and not that funny, and I don't know what they should do to fix it, but it's just not quite working.

I think also maybe a lot of characters have gotten kind of one-note, so it feels more repetitive than great. Like... Tom hasn't done anything new and delightful since Treat Yo Self, just the same old schtick. April has had barely any storylines, and they all seem to revolve around her and Andy as a unit. Andy is sometimes literally too dumb to function. Donna NEVER gets storylines. Chris for some reason is still around, being a shallow insincere dbag and taking up screentime that should be given to Donna, who is funnier and more interesting.

And I am REALLY worried about the campaign issue. I feel like they brought the campaign into the mix as an obstacle for Leslie/Ben, without thinking through the implications. And now I worry that we're in a Pam Beesly situation, where we have brought up Leslie having big dreams, and raised the possibility of her getting those dreams, but because of the PREMISE OF THE SHOW, AS SEEN IN ITS TITLE, she cannot get those dreams while remaining on the show, so she will have to fail at them. And I swear to God, if Leslie fails at her dreams, I am going to burn Utica to the ground. IT WILL BE TEN TIMES WORSE THAN PAM FAILING AT HER DREAMS, AND THAT IS QUITE POSSIBLY MY #1 TV DISAPPOINTMENT OF ALL TIME.

And it's not going to be better if Ron gets to be assistant city manager so Leslie can be promoted, because if Ron and Leslie and April aren't in the same department I am going to SCATTER UTICA'S BURNT ASHES TO THE WIND AND PEE ON THEM, and so then I don't know how they're going to get themselves out of this one in a satisfactory manner, and if I think about that I basically go into a depression spiral. DDDDDDDDD:

Ugh, I might be stating this all a little strongly, because the episodes, with the exception of the negative ad one, have mostly been... fine. And maybe it's too much to ask that I should have a joysplosion every week like during season 3. But it is really sad to me that the show is going from joysplosion to just fine! It being Parks Day doesn't cheer me up anymore! BUMMER CITY. It's only season 4, and two of those seasons weren't even full seasons, WE SHOULD NOT BE HITTING THE SITCOM DECLINE YET.

[identity profile] frey-at-last.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
we're in a Pam Beasley situation, where we have brought up Leslie having big dreams, and raised the possibility of her getting those dreams, but because of the PREMISE OF THE SHOW, AS SEEN IN ITS TITLE, she cannot get those dreams while remaining on the show, so she will have to fail at them

It seems like this is that one thing that really sucks about perpetual sitcoms that just go on and on for indefinite seasons. Not that P&R has gone on that long, but now that it's in its, what, 4th season? Around 50-75 episodes? It's hitting that pothole. Because either you have comedy with no real character conflict and no real character investment, or else you have comedy with characters who have goals and a central conflict and THAT'S WHAT MAKES PEOPLE CARE. But if it becomes evident that the conflict is going to remain a conflict for the entire length of the series... you can't care anymore. I'm not even thinking about the other women comedy protagonists like Pam or Liz Lemon (because I do tend to care about them more), but virtually any other comedy I've really liked (Spaced, Extras, idk, Louie). You either have to have a premise that allows for changing circumstances without losing the characters and conflicts themselves, or you're stuck. The only person who seems to get out of this scot-free is Ricky Gervais, and that's because he has enough creative control (and enough self-control, it must be said) to stop his tv shows after two short seasons. And so his shows are kind of awesome.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, yes, it's really so true! I hoped Parks could go for a little while longer before it hit that stage, buuuuut it's been a lot of episodes where I'm not feeling it, which is depressing.

Even thinking about something like How I Met Your Mother or Friends, that aren't based around a workplace -- like, either they start having babies and the show changes, and it can't hold it together anymore, or else they stay exactly the same, which just gets depressing. I can't think of any perpetual sitcom that managed to keep the interest going, because they really are stuck between that rock and hard place. Haha, maybe this should teach me to stop getting invested in sitcoms. Or, um, television.

(Though on the plus side, I've been pretty into 30 Rock since it's been back, more than I was before the break, so maybe shows can pull me back in later?? Haha especially if they have Jack being super inappropriately into Liz.)

[identity profile] tearupthesky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Co-signed!

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Where is our fandom lifeboat?????

[identity profile] sophia-helix.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I've been starting to feel this way as well. I think I liked last week's episode more than you did, but it occurred to me afterwards that I just wasn't feeling the giddy sense of joy this season, and that the characters were starting to sift down into caricatures, just like the Office. It maybe just is the sitcom peril -- things are awesome when they're new, and it's amazing the first few times they do callbacks, but then it becomes predictable and one-note when the same things repeat themselves. It's possible to pull a Simpsons and come back around to meta-jokes about the show's cliches, but I can't really think of a show that's done that. Or you have a show like HIMYM where you just give up on anything creative or new getting established and just enjoy hanging out with some characters you like once a week. Sadly I would have a hard time doing that with P&R because it once was so much better than that.

As mad as I might be about Leslie deciding she'd rather serve her town/country as an employee instead of an elected representative... unless she stays in a shitty job with a bunch of people she hates in a town she doesn't like and Ben buys his parents' depressing and terrible house and they get knocked up twice in two years by accident and Ben also hates his job and they just make smug jokes about their coworkers (who they hate) all day...NOTHING could be as bad as the Pam Beesley travesty.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_kirsty/ 2012-02-02 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
There hasn't been an episode I super loved and instantly wanted to rewatch since The Treaty back in November, and even before that there was a lot more mediocrity than last season

Yeah, I have to agree. But I guess this is four seasons in? I loved The Office (US) but I still dropped it after the fourth season (decline).

Also, Donna not getting storylines is really sort of striking and terrible at this point.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh yes, the lack of joy! So depressing. And oh God, "sift down into caricatures" is such a perfect and depressing way to put it. It's just really true -- I feel like unless they make a HUGE EFFORT to find new depths in the characters that sifting is going to happen. And in this case the focus on Leslie/Ben feels to me like it's eating up screentime that could be used to give the rest of the ensemble more depth.

unless she stays in a shitty job with a bunch of people she hates in a town she doesn't like and Ben buys his parents' depressing and terrible house and they get knocked up twice in two years by accident and Ben also hates his job and they just make smug jokes about their coworkers (who they hate) all day...NOTHING could be as bad as the Pam Beesley travesty.

Ahahahahaha, y-you make a depressingly accurate point. And you didn't even add that the show was character assassinating her and ret-conning that she's not funny and she's bad at pranks!!! UGH. STILL SO ANGRY AND SO SAD.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I am glad other people are also having this experience, even though it's depressing. Ughhhhh true, after the fourth season is when The Office had really lost it, but it's so sad!!

Seriously, the Donna thing is UNCOOL. And when it's pointed out people will apologize for it like it's not due to racism/sizeism! Like, one of my friends made a post about how she'd like to see, you know, ANYONE BE ROMANTICALLY INTERESTED IN DONNA, and a bunch of morons were like, "But Donna likes to date around and have casual sex and that's great!" Uh, yeah, that would be great, if we EVER SAW THAT ONSCREEN??? Pics or it didn't happen, Parks and Rec. Pics or it didn't happen.

[identity profile] tearupthesky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
WAIT, I HAVE MORE FEELINGS. I still don't understand how anyone took Ben's side in Campaign Ad. He wasn't even around for the Nutri-Yum debacle, but what's everyone else's excuse? ATTACKING THE NEWPORTS IN PAWNEE DOESN'T WORK. THAT CAN'T BE YOUR ONLY MOVE, BECAUSE IT IS HISTORICALLY INEFFECTIVE. Pawnee doesn't care that Sweetums pumps out garbage (BOTH LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY), why would they care that Bobby Newport is a spoiled dummy? So not only is Leslie supposed to compromise her integrity in this really gross, fundamental way, she's supposed to do it for something that super obviously and demonstrably won't even work in the first place? There are just so many reasons that ad was a terrible idea without calling Leslie's "toughness" into question.

UGH, SO NOT INTERESTED IN A SHOW ABOUT STUFF THAT'S WRONG WITH LESLIE KNOPE. REMOVE THE PLANK FROM YOUR OWN EYE, BEN.

[identity profile] moireach.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
(Oh good, looks like the new LJ comment pages don't let you copy your text out if it freezes while trying to post.)

How have we not even talked about Liz's secret boyfriend situation? And Jack's betrayal face? I don't even ship it, really! And yet!

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
OH MY GOD HOW HAVE WE NOT. RIGHT??? Jack's REACTION!!! Um, Jack, the only reason to feel that betrayed is if you feel sexy feelings for Liz Lemon. Also that she was keeping it a secret from him! JUST GET MARRIED, YOU GUYS. Ugh, whenever they do the thing where they know each other better than they know themselves I ship it hard, but the amount of FEELINGS it was giving me, especially considering it is something I don't even normally ship that much either!!!

(Haha, like, I want stupid weird babyfic where Liz mothers Jack's baby and stuff. EW, SELF.)

[identity profile] moireach.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Ummm, you do realize that this = this , right?

(I am leaving you comments about this because thinking about the demise of Pam Beesley still makes my heart bleed tears forever.)
Edited 2012-02-02 22:25 (UTC)

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
UGH YES, EVERYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN AD. ALSO. Omg. Saying in a campaign ad, "Leslie Knope has worked for everything she's achieved" when you expressly BROKE UP WITH LESLIE KNOPE so that people would not think she slept with her boss to get ahead, but then went out with her again, and THAT SEX SCANDAL IS WHY SHE'S POLLING SO LOW???? Maybe don't give Bobby Newport a huge opportunity to be like, "Leslie Knope has NOT worked for everything she has, she banged her way to the top"?? And maybe you, Ben Wyatt, should be extra aware of that element since you're the one she's banging??????

Pawnee doesn't care that Sweetums pumps out garbage (BOTH LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY)

Ahahahaha. "But is it worth the asthma." DDDDD:

And seriously, Leslie is more than tough enough, she will shoot all your turkeys and pants you! Why is this even an issue!! SRSLY ON THE PLANK THING.

[identity profile] moireach.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Pics or it didn't happen, Parks and Rec. Pics or it didn't happen.

You are my fav.

::HIJACKS ALL COMMENT THREADS::

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahahahahaha, I totally do, to the point where I almost used a Ron/Leslie icon on my last comment to you. I will do so now. I AM SAD AND PREDICTABLE IN MY INTERESTS.

(ON PARKS RIGHT NOW I LEGIT WANT LESLIE TO CANONICALLY LEAVE BEN FOR RON. SO.)

P.S. I rewatched the Michael Scott Paper Company arc last week, and it still makes my heart soar. And me ship Pam/Ryan. And Pam/Michael.

[identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
SIGH. I love you, show, I do, but this season has been underwhelming. YOU CAN ONLY COAST SO LONG ON CRYING BATMAN.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
<333333333333333333333333333!!!!

[identity profile] moireach.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
OH GOD, WHY DID WE NOT REWATCH MSPC WHEN I WAS THERE? Maybe because my heart couldn't take that much joy/nostalgia/longing at once.

Dude, all those great Yuletide fics got me on the Ron/Leslie train too. Even despite my mustache racism. Also the show has been 'shipping them pretty hard this season. Especially wrt the "jerky dude has secret feeeeelings" trope I may have recently been emailing with someone about.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
UGH SERIOUSLY. When I was making a list of episodes I have really really loved, as much as I loved episodes last season, it was just Ron and Tammys, Pawnee Rangers, and The Treaty. THAT MAKES ME VERY SAD. FOR REALSIES, CRYING BATMAN ONLY TAKES US SO FAR. I am really hoping the back half of this season picks up, but I am feeling not that hopeful. DDDDDDDDDD: Quick, write some fic before the show is over!!!!

[identity profile] moireach.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
PS WRITE THAT BABYFIC, you know you'd love it.

[identity profile] shornt.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
As much as I essentially don't talk about it, because its never really my gut reaction, I do see where you're coming from. I was feeling kind of the same about Ben lately - like, I get that he's now the campaign manager, but he acts like he doesn't know who he's campaigning for. And this election thing is just, like... I'm getting really anxious over what could happen. I had some feelings about Leslie in office where I felt like its not the type of job she tends to flourish at, like it isn't hands on and she won't get to build big projects and see them through. But at the same time, I don't think I could fucking bear to see her lose this damn thing. After a whole season that's essentially focused on how important these dreams are to her and how much she wants it and everyone legitimately respecting that and helping her and wanting to see her succeed? I'm scared shitless to see what the payoff of everything leads to.

I wrote earlier about how Parks day hasn't been innately making me happy, too, and then I deleted it from tumblr because tumblr has a weird attitude today. But you're right. Things should be on like an upward climb, and it feels really steady lately. Like just this straight line of "Leslie needs something for the campaign, Ben disagrees, other people are in the background, everything is resolved, the end." Which is why I'm glad tonight is a break-out from that.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
OH GOD WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE. It is just as amazing as you remember it being. Remember how they do delivers at 5 in the morning in a van together, all sleepy and cranky?????

Yesssssssssssss, the Ron/Leslie train!!!!!! OH GOD, I HAD ACTUALLY NEVER THOUGHT TO COMBINE THE JERKY DUDE HAS SECRET FEELINGS TROPE WITH RON/LESLIE BUT OH NO I'D BE SO INTO IT. Sometimes I actually feel like the show is canonically putting forward a Ron who is secretly in love with Leslie -- haha, like, at one point he says something wistful about people changing and it KIND OF SEEMED TO ME LIKE IT MIGHT BE SECRETLY ABOUT LESLIE DATING BEN. Also he was pretty upset when he found out they were secretly dating. Hahaha, ::writes ship manifesto:::

[identity profile] tearupthesky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously, what planet does Ben live on where rich dudes get judged more harshly for... being rich than women do for having sex, ever, with anyone. MAYBE THAT'S HOW THINGS WOULD BE IN A PERFECT WORLD, BUT UNTIL THEN LET'S STOP ACTING LIKE LESLIE'S THE ONE WHO'S NOT BEING REALISTIC.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
D: D: D: DON'T ENCOURAGE ME.

[identity profile] frey-at-last.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I started to feel it almost from the start of s3 of 30 Rock, although in retrospect I think it was more the last half where it started to hit me every episode. And yeah, at the beginning it's always just that sinking feeling of lessened enthusiasm and starting to weigh the good and bad stuff versus just being overwhelmed by the whole. I HATE ITTT. Getting old and bitter about tv shows is the worst, but it's not like you can help it when they start to age.

But I've also been really happy with the new season of 30 Rock! I think several of the things that disappointed me in s4-5 are better so far, which makes me happy. (And the inappropriate fixation as mention above, ahem!) But I still don't think Liz is really going to succeed at anything significant (in terms of what she's wanted) until it's time to end the show. So now I just hope that they do it well when the time comes.

You know, speaking of over-investment in TV shows, I think it's funny that TXF is sort of a by-word for what happens to shows that go on too long, when REALLY, it's amazing that it didn't start its real decline until the 6th season. Six seasons of a hit drama is a long time. Of course, they took two seasons to sort of reach maturity, and I think viewers were less critical then.

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