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look to the pasta ([personal profile] annakovsky) wrote2012-02-02 04:11 pm
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Parks and Recreation and Mediocrity

I wrote this whole thing after last week's Parks episode, and it might be a really unpopular opinion but whatever, I'm going to post it now before tonight's because I am pretty concerned about the direction the show is going and I don't knowwwwwww, you guys. There hasn't been an episode I super loved and instantly wanted to rewatch since The Treaty back in November, and even before that there was a lot more mediocrity than last season, and with the campaign I'm worried they've painted themselves into a corner they won't be able to get out of. HOPEFULLY TONIGHT'S EPISODE WILL BE BETTER, BUT I AM WORRIED.

First of all, established relationships are boring, and all this focus on Leslie/Ben has been super boring. I thought once they were back together we could all move on with our lives and get back to the regular ensemble show, but Leslie is still spending most of her time interacting with Ben and ughhhhhhhhhhh. THEY'RE LIKE THE SAME PERSON, THERE'S NO TENSION HERE, LET HER TALK TO RON OR ANDY OR SOMETHING.

Then to GET tension in that relationship they keep -- like, okay. Full disclosure, I HATED Ben in the episode with the negative campaign ad. I did not see both sides. Most people did, and that's fine, but I REALLY DID NOT. I feel like going negative as the FIRST THING a campaign does is a shitty thing to do in the first place (especially when you're spending all your money on it, so it's the ONE THING that people will see about your candidate), and then wanting to go negative for LESLIE KNOPE is just like, have you ever met Leslie Knope? And then when Leslie said she would never do that in a million years, to keep pushing it? Uh, it was a pretty clear statement of what she wanted, and she's the candidate -- it's her name on the ad. So if she doesn't want to go negative, YOU DON'T GO NEGATIVE. And it didn't help that his first ad sounded like Gob Bluth's negative ad against Steve Holt. Like, I was fine with the compromise ad they eventually got to, but omg, so unacceptable before that.

Last week's episode wasn't as bad, because obviously Leslie was being obsessive (which was adorable as always) -- but. Basically Leslie was being the way she always is in that kind of situation, and Ben spent the whole episode being like, "BAD DOG. NO." It's not HELPFUL. You're never going to stop Leslie by acting like that! Ron Swanson would know never to act like that with her because it's pointless! And I just feel like lately Ben thinks things are wrong with Leslie ALL THE TIME. You're a steamroller, Leslie! No, wait, you have to be tougher, Leslie! Stop being so fixated, Leslie! That's not sexy fighting, that's just being kind of awful, even when you have a point. YOU'RE HER BOYFRIEND AND YOU USED TO THINK SHE WAS GREAT, WHY AREN'T YOU ON HER SIDE ANYMORE. And why is it always Leslie who has something wrong with her to manufacture tension between them? I CAN THINK OF A LOT OF THINGS WRONG WITH YOU, BEN, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START ENUMERATING THEM. 1) YOU'RE A WET BLANKET AND A NEGATIVE NELLY.

I mean, whatever, sometimes I still like them, and the kissing last week was super hot, but overall, Leslie/Ben is just getting old and there's too much of it and Ben is going to have to be a lot nicer/more delightful to win me back.

So that's a problem. And then overall I seem to come out of every episode feeling like the whole thing just didn't quite hang together, in a way I can't put my finger on. I think maybe with the campaign they just have too many balls in the air? Everyone feels scattered and not that funny, and I don't know what they should do to fix it, but it's just not quite working.

I think also maybe a lot of characters have gotten kind of one-note, so it feels more repetitive than great. Like... Tom hasn't done anything new and delightful since Treat Yo Self, just the same old schtick. April has had barely any storylines, and they all seem to revolve around her and Andy as a unit. Andy is sometimes literally too dumb to function. Donna NEVER gets storylines. Chris for some reason is still around, being a shallow insincere dbag and taking up screentime that should be given to Donna, who is funnier and more interesting.

And I am REALLY worried about the campaign issue. I feel like they brought the campaign into the mix as an obstacle for Leslie/Ben, without thinking through the implications. And now I worry that we're in a Pam Beesly situation, where we have brought up Leslie having big dreams, and raised the possibility of her getting those dreams, but because of the PREMISE OF THE SHOW, AS SEEN IN ITS TITLE, she cannot get those dreams while remaining on the show, so she will have to fail at them. And I swear to God, if Leslie fails at her dreams, I am going to burn Utica to the ground. IT WILL BE TEN TIMES WORSE THAN PAM FAILING AT HER DREAMS, AND THAT IS QUITE POSSIBLY MY #1 TV DISAPPOINTMENT OF ALL TIME.

And it's not going to be better if Ron gets to be assistant city manager so Leslie can be promoted, because if Ron and Leslie and April aren't in the same department I am going to SCATTER UTICA'S BURNT ASHES TO THE WIND AND PEE ON THEM, and so then I don't know how they're going to get themselves out of this one in a satisfactory manner, and if I think about that I basically go into a depression spiral. DDDDDDDDD:

Ugh, I might be stating this all a little strongly, because the episodes, with the exception of the negative ad one, have mostly been... fine. And maybe it's too much to ask that I should have a joysplosion every week like during season 3. But it is really sad to me that the show is going from joysplosion to just fine! It being Parks Day doesn't cheer me up anymore! BUMMER CITY. It's only season 4, and two of those seasons weren't even full seasons, WE SHOULD NOT BE HITTING THE SITCOM DECLINE YET.

[identity profile] frey-at-last.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
we're in a Pam Beasley situation, where we have brought up Leslie having big dreams, and raised the possibility of her getting those dreams, but because of the PREMISE OF THE SHOW, AS SEEN IN ITS TITLE, she cannot get those dreams while remaining on the show, so she will have to fail at them

It seems like this is that one thing that really sucks about perpetual sitcoms that just go on and on for indefinite seasons. Not that P&R has gone on that long, but now that it's in its, what, 4th season? Around 50-75 episodes? It's hitting that pothole. Because either you have comedy with no real character conflict and no real character investment, or else you have comedy with characters who have goals and a central conflict and THAT'S WHAT MAKES PEOPLE CARE. But if it becomes evident that the conflict is going to remain a conflict for the entire length of the series... you can't care anymore. I'm not even thinking about the other women comedy protagonists like Pam or Liz Lemon (because I do tend to care about them more), but virtually any other comedy I've really liked (Spaced, Extras, idk, Louie). You either have to have a premise that allows for changing circumstances without losing the characters and conflicts themselves, or you're stuck. The only person who seems to get out of this scot-free is Ricky Gervais, and that's because he has enough creative control (and enough self-control, it must be said) to stop his tv shows after two short seasons. And so his shows are kind of awesome.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, yes, it's really so true! I hoped Parks could go for a little while longer before it hit that stage, buuuuut it's been a lot of episodes where I'm not feeling it, which is depressing.

Even thinking about something like How I Met Your Mother or Friends, that aren't based around a workplace -- like, either they start having babies and the show changes, and it can't hold it together anymore, or else they stay exactly the same, which just gets depressing. I can't think of any perpetual sitcom that managed to keep the interest going, because they really are stuck between that rock and hard place. Haha, maybe this should teach me to stop getting invested in sitcoms. Or, um, television.

(Though on the plus side, I've been pretty into 30 Rock since it's been back, more than I was before the break, so maybe shows can pull me back in later?? Haha especially if they have Jack being super inappropriately into Liz.)

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[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Where is our fandom lifeboat?????

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[identity profile] sophia-helix.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I've been starting to feel this way as well. I think I liked last week's episode more than you did, but it occurred to me afterwards that I just wasn't feeling the giddy sense of joy this season, and that the characters were starting to sift down into caricatures, just like the Office. It maybe just is the sitcom peril -- things are awesome when they're new, and it's amazing the first few times they do callbacks, but then it becomes predictable and one-note when the same things repeat themselves. It's possible to pull a Simpsons and come back around to meta-jokes about the show's cliches, but I can't really think of a show that's done that. Or you have a show like HIMYM where you just give up on anything creative or new getting established and just enjoy hanging out with some characters you like once a week. Sadly I would have a hard time doing that with P&R because it once was so much better than that.

As mad as I might be about Leslie deciding she'd rather serve her town/country as an employee instead of an elected representative... unless she stays in a shitty job with a bunch of people she hates in a town she doesn't like and Ben buys his parents' depressing and terrible house and they get knocked up twice in two years by accident and Ben also hates his job and they just make smug jokes about their coworkers (who they hate) all day...NOTHING could be as bad as the Pam Beesley travesty.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh yes, the lack of joy! So depressing. And oh God, "sift down into caricatures" is such a perfect and depressing way to put it. It's just really true -- I feel like unless they make a HUGE EFFORT to find new depths in the characters that sifting is going to happen. And in this case the focus on Leslie/Ben feels to me like it's eating up screentime that could be used to give the rest of the ensemble more depth.

unless she stays in a shitty job with a bunch of people she hates in a town she doesn't like and Ben buys his parents' depressing and terrible house and they get knocked up twice in two years by accident and Ben also hates his job and they just make smug jokes about their coworkers (who they hate) all day...NOTHING could be as bad as the Pam Beesley travesty.

Ahahahahaha, y-you make a depressingly accurate point. And you didn't even add that the show was character assassinating her and ret-conning that she's not funny and she's bad at pranks!!! UGH. STILL SO ANGRY AND SO SAD.

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[identity profile] cleversimon.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my god. That's what happened to Pam?

I haven't actually watched The Office since -- wow, I think since Jim proposed? It's been forever, anyway. They got married and had a baby, that was all I'd heard, and I don't know what I was hoping for, but it was something a hell of a lot better than that.

I am legit bummed out now. :(

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_kirsty/ 2012-02-02 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
There hasn't been an episode I super loved and instantly wanted to rewatch since The Treaty back in November, and even before that there was a lot more mediocrity than last season

Yeah, I have to agree. But I guess this is four seasons in? I loved The Office (US) but I still dropped it after the fourth season (decline).

Also, Donna not getting storylines is really sort of striking and terrible at this point.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I am glad other people are also having this experience, even though it's depressing. Ughhhhh true, after the fourth season is when The Office had really lost it, but it's so sad!!

Seriously, the Donna thing is UNCOOL. And when it's pointed out people will apologize for it like it's not due to racism/sizeism! Like, one of my friends made a post about how she'd like to see, you know, ANYONE BE ROMANTICALLY INTERESTED IN DONNA, and a bunch of morons were like, "But Donna likes to date around and have casual sex and that's great!" Uh, yeah, that would be great, if we EVER SAW THAT ONSCREEN??? Pics or it didn't happen, Parks and Rec. Pics or it didn't happen.

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[identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
SIGH. I love you, show, I do, but this season has been underwhelming. YOU CAN ONLY COAST SO LONG ON CRYING BATMAN.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
UGH SERIOUSLY. When I was making a list of episodes I have really really loved, as much as I loved episodes last season, it was just Ron and Tammys, Pawnee Rangers, and The Treaty. THAT MAKES ME VERY SAD. FOR REALSIES, CRYING BATMAN ONLY TAKES US SO FAR. I am really hoping the back half of this season picks up, but I am feeling not that hopeful. DDDDDDDDDD: Quick, write some fic before the show is over!!!!

[identity profile] shornt.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
As much as I essentially don't talk about it, because its never really my gut reaction, I do see where you're coming from. I was feeling kind of the same about Ben lately - like, I get that he's now the campaign manager, but he acts like he doesn't know who he's campaigning for. And this election thing is just, like... I'm getting really anxious over what could happen. I had some feelings about Leslie in office where I felt like its not the type of job she tends to flourish at, like it isn't hands on and she won't get to build big projects and see them through. But at the same time, I don't think I could fucking bear to see her lose this damn thing. After a whole season that's essentially focused on how important these dreams are to her and how much she wants it and everyone legitimately respecting that and helping her and wanting to see her succeed? I'm scared shitless to see what the payoff of everything leads to.

I wrote earlier about how Parks day hasn't been innately making me happy, too, and then I deleted it from tumblr because tumblr has a weird attitude today. But you're right. Things should be on like an upward climb, and it feels really steady lately. Like just this straight line of "Leslie needs something for the campaign, Ben disagrees, other people are in the background, everything is resolved, the end." Which is why I'm glad tonight is a break-out from that.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh yeah, I really would've thought Ben would know Leslie better by now than he seems to, it keeps weirding me out! And I'm so nervous about the election -- I'd feel so much better if they were already pulling back on it by now, like, showing that Leslie likes civil service more than elected office, but they are NOT, it is just her dream, BUT I DO NOT WANT HER DREAMS TO DIE PLEASE DON'T DO THAT TO ME, MIKE SCHUR.

I actually saw your post earlier, aww, you shouldn't delete it, it's so legit! I've seen a lot of people feeling like they're losing enthusiasm. And the plotlines have been seriously repetitive -- they got really repetitive before Ben and Leslie got together, when it was over and over "Ben doesn't want to spend time together and Leslie does and then they have a fight about" and now with the campaign. Oh dear.

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[identity profile] itsaclassic.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow I'm really glad you expressed this. I totally agree with what you said about Ben/Leslie. The tension is completely gone. I don't find their manufactured conflict that entertaining. I felt they dragged out the Ben/Leslie arc way too long and heavy. I miss the days Leslie was paired with Ron or Tom or April, and the hilarity that ensued. Now its all Leslie and Ben, Ben and Leslie, which has cut down on the rest of the ensemble. I'm too afraid to say anything negative about them on Tumblr because of the Leslie/Ben stanning, 'Oh lets watch them kiss over and over and over squeeeee'

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, I'm so glad you agree! I was totally feeling the exact same thing with the Leslie/Ben stanning, like I might get hunted down and thrown out of the fandom for posting this, haha. But I totally feel like the show dragged out the Leslie/Ben arc way too long too -- I feel like they should've treated them a LOT more like Leslie/Dave and a lot less like they were some Jim/Pam-esque epic romance, because everything with Leslie/Ben this season has been pretty tedious.

[identity profile] numbers-robot.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah I've been concerned about this too. especially with some of the major characters getting a real arc so far. Tom has become especially one note in the past two episodes, what happened to him following his dreams and everything? and Donna still hasn't had a storyline, April has only had one, and I'm really hoping Ann gets more to do soon. This season had the potential to have so much growth for everyone I feel like we haven't gotten that much.
And I've been really concerned about Leslie and Ben becoming dull, honestly the main plot of the last episode bugged me a little and so did campaign ad because Leslie is apparently doing everything wrong and can't do this without Ben which doesn't make sense to me? Hopefully as they get more into the campaign it will be less manufactured fighting, though there is still Dave's Return. I do love this show I just hope this is a weird phase it is going through.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Tom's not even one of my favorites, but they have been doing SO LITTLE with him -- like, bring Lucy back or something, at least she gave him some depth! Also I love her! I feel like people are just getting really one-note to save space in the narrative for Leslie/Ben, and it seriously bums me out.

And totally, I don't see why BEN is suddenly some campaign expert because he won one campaign when he was 18 and then totally flamed out, especially when he doesn't know anything about Pawnee! Leslie can do this better without him! GET YOUR OWN THING, BEN, THIS ARC IS LESLIE'S. And ugh, I'm excited about Dave coming back because I love Dave and think Louis CK is so funny in that role, but if it devolves into Ben being a little bitch as usual and Leslie having to apologize to him or something I'm going to lose my shit. DDD: NERVOUS.

[identity profile] crackers4jenn.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Yessss, I would like to draw a heart around this post and a photo of myself, then write in bubble letters the words "TRUE LOVE 4EVER" because I most definitely agree.

Ben drove me nuts in the negative ad episode, and I don't think Leslie should've compromised her beliefs at all! I'm actually really mad that she did make that ad at the end, because it felt more like stupid smarmy Ben was getting his stupid smarmy way and less like Leslie was basing up on her own about what's-his-Paul-Rudd's-face's douchiness and being roused to fight back in a meaner style. She didn't want to make a negative ad, she expressed that numerous times, and still dumb ol' Ben steamrolled right over her as if she was not capable of determining the direction of the ad herself. And I get that he is her campaign manager but she is THE ACTUAL CANDIDATE, NOT THIS WHOMP THERE IT'S NOT BOY-MAYOR, SO SUCK IT BEN WYATT!

Anyway, those are my calm feelings about that.

I probably would not care so much that he's such a jerkass a portion of the time, because I do like Ben/Leslie in I would say a good half of their scenes (like you, I super approved of Ben punching out that dude who called Leslie a bitch, because: SAY WHAT, DRUNK DUDE?) if the show did not treat their romance so... ugh, I don't know, so epic, like they're Pawnee's Jim/Pam. WHAT'S NEXT, MIKE SCHUR, THEY GOING TO MOVE INTO THE CLOWN HOUSE BEN GREW UP IN? BO-RING.

I miss the days where Leslie interacted with EVERYONE! And, sure, for a while she got single-minded about the Pit, but so many fun and interesting storylines sprung from that, whereas everything centered around the campaign (and Ben/Leslie) feels redundant. You know what I want to see more than I want to see Ben and Leslie argue about Leslie's campaign for the kajillionth time? ANN DOING SOMETHING, ANYTHING, OR DONNA HAVE MORE TO SAY THAN RANDOM ZINGS.

[identity profile] cashewdani.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
I have not been feeling such negative things about Parks recently, I think maybe because it's still far superior to most of the other stuff I'm watching on TV, but I can certainly agree with where you're coming from.

And I think the thing that STILL TO THIS DAY KILLS ME SO MUCH about Pam Beesley is that they had an opportunity for her dreams to change and instead decided to just napalm them into the ground. Because there's nothing inherently wrong with growing or changing or realizing, hey, you know, I've always wanted to be a famous artist, but that's not in the cards, and I do have a guy I'd like to marry and have a family with, but you have to show that. And have them not be completely separate things. You can draw and be married, Pam. It is a thing that's possible. And, even if you give up on something entirely, you have to be able to be sad about it. To regret things even if they're for the best. You don't just settle for no reason with no repercussions. And if they go that way with Leslie, I will maybe die.

[identity profile] cereal.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I love Ben and Leslie and Parks & Rec and blah blah blah, but this afternoon I was actually mad it was on tonight and that I couldn't watch this stupid David Tennant movie I got instead, because I felt obligated to watch Parks. This may seem like a sidebar story or something, but it's pretty clear that WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME AND THIS SHOW is now a major concern, because it's apparently something I'm not even excited over anymore? Which means there's a problem and I think it's that everyone is in these ruts and I'm basically just watching the same episode, with slightly different jokes, every week. The things I'm supposed to care about, the campaign or whatever, are things that are actually contributing to the problem, I feel like?

Because it's such a narrow focus and they've tracked it out for so many episodes, and I'd really just like some good ol' whatever the sitcom equivalent of a Monster of the Week episode is and for people to be able to ride out the full rainbow of their personalities in loving color instead of: Andy says something that indicates a disconnect with reality, Ann is beautiful and there for Leslie, Ben has to ostensibly balance Leslie, but really no balancing is happening, and ugggh, seriously, have you seen David Tennant's face? It's good, but I wouldn't think it would take me from ALL OF PARKS, but just Parks is in a rut and eating Chinese food and changing into its pajamas every day right when it gets home from work and maybe Parks should force itself to go out to the pub quiz one night, or at least go to that knitting class at the library.

This Party Down joke better be epic, is what I'm saying.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
UGH, that was totally my experience too, just, like, a confusing lack of enthusiasm, even though the show wasn't actively bothering me! DDDDDD: TRAGIC.

But yes, exactly, all the repetition and caricature and the stuck in a rut! I enjoyed last night's episode more, but I feel like that might've just been that I've finally lowered my expectations and as long as Ron and April and Leslie are being delightful I don't care what other bullshit is going on or how shitty of a boyfriend Ben is. D:

[identity profile] zombie_boogie.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
I've generally been really positive about the show after each episode airs, and I've felt mostly good about where the season has been going so far, but I think you made some really good points here. Mainly, when I look back over the season, especially the post-winter hiatus episodes, I can't think of really any episodes that I LOVE loved like I did some episodes last season. Like, episodes that I want to re-watch a million times as soon as they finished airing. I would say my enjoyment of the show at present is still above your "fine", but it isn't at the level of "joysplosion". The episodes since the break have had a few really good jokes and character moments, but I haven't had huge moments of FEELINGS EXPLOSION (I mean, I have mini feelings explosions on Tumblr but Tumblr is this weird situation where, like, my brain turns off and I'm just like FACES MUST RE-BLOG). I haven't felt passionate enough about these episodes to the point where I am like, MUST PICSPAM AND TALK ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING. I'm just kind of like, "Yay Parks" because my default is "Yay Parks". I wouldn't say we're at the point of sitcom decline yet, but it's a shadow that's creeping out of the corner of my eye. Flanderization is a constant threat, even though at this point I think they're still doing a relatively good job at grounding the characters (I'm mostly afraid for Andy, because his Homer Simpson-like tendencies are becoming a bit out of hand without any "real" moments to balance them). To be honest I am... not as scared by the low ratings as some people. If it only got the rest of this season, or maybe one more, I think I would be happy to let the show go if it meant I could remember the show fondly without any bitterness instead of it dragging its beleaguered corpse into a billion seasons like The Office.

And I mean... I'm a really boring person who likes boring, established relationships, but obviously that's not going to do it for everyone. I didn't have as big of a problem with the Leslie/Ben interaction as some have expressed, though I will say that I had enough of reaction where there is a part of my brain that is like "OK this is fine, but if you do one more episode where Leslie is wrong and Ben is right and stuff we are going to have words, show." And I really don't want "Dave's Return" to be a prop to their relationship, because they don't need that! So. Nervous for next week. And I am DEEPLY CONCERNED about the outcome of this election. I don't want it to be a Michael Scott Paper Company thing, except on a bigger scale because I care ten million times more about Leslie's dreams than Michael Scott's. I want to trust these writers, but I'm so anxious about how this storyline is going to be resolved.

[identity profile] mouthsopen.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
AHHHH OMG if they make Leslie Knope turn into a Pam Beesley Situation THERE WILL BE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES. Ugh. What I liked about this show was how they let the characters grow and pursue their dreams, like Tom and Entertainment 720, but that ended up falling through. And I'm worried that Leslie's mayoral campaign will fall through too. It would just make me so sad for that to happen, because Leslie deserves the very best. I WANT HER TO BE A MAYOR AND HAVE THE LOVE OF HER LIFE. Like, I dunno. I know this is a sitcom and they all have their natural peaks and troughs, but I thought P&R was one of the special ones to change the status quo and not go down the same path. And omg, your icon, I cannot wait until he's back.

ALSO YES CAN DONNA SERIOUSLY GET MORE STORYLINES??? I am so fucking tired of Chris, I'm actually glad that he got dumped so we can stop hearing about how he was boning Millicent because honestly that's not something I want to think about.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I WANT HER TO BE A MAYOR AND HAVE THE LOVE OF HER LIFE.

ME TOO, EXACTLY, I NEED THAT SO MUCH. And ugh, I seriously thought P&R was going to buck the trend too, I hope it comes back really strong, but ughhhhh, so nervous!

AND FOR REAL ON DONNA AND CHRIS RIGHT? At least Chris was funny last night, but the him/Millicent storylines were the worstttttttttttttttttttttttt. DONNA IS SO MUCH FUNNIER WITH JUST THE ONE LINE SHE GETS PER EPISODE.

[identity profile] inlovewithnight.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't watched since the holiday hiatus. :\ I had a weird, overly-personal, projecting reaction to Ben/Leslie, and it sounds like it would just get worse if I kept watching, so, yeah. I was hoping I'd marathon at the end of the season and catch up, but I haven't heard anything about the recent episodes that's really excited me. Sigh, TV, why you gotta be this way?

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, well, I will say, Leslie did stop steamrolling Ben! Now it is all the other way around! :/ I'm hoping it picks up in the rest of the season but I'm worriedddddd.

[identity profile] grenadine.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, I feel less bad about not keeping up AT ALL this season. :(

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, well, for the record, it's still better than all the other bullshit I watch on TV, but I wish it was still FREAKING AMAZING, EVERY SINGLE WEEK. D:

[identity profile] peopleareshapes.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)


BEN IS A COOL GUY WITH COOL IDEAS

I actually didn't notice him coping more attitude because frankly I tend to tune out B/L a lot of the time, I REALLY LOVE THEM SEPARATELY, but together it's just like, SNORE, and Ben has always been an Eyore, except in this episode it's like he cranked it up to 11!!!! "This is the woman I've chosen to love." Okay Mr. Low Cal Calzone Zone?

Definitely think everyone is more of a caricature. Aziz just delivers bits from his stand up, I don't even see Tom anymore, it's just Aziz. Andy went from lovably daffy to possibly needing professional help and April is more of his guide/someone who thinks of him as a fun science experiment vs. how sweet and on a similar wavelength they used to be. The way the writers treat Donna is egregious and Chris really needs to fuck off. I mean, I am basically just repeating your true words, but I used to get so excited for Parks night that I'd make myself nervous and now I forget it's on until I'm spoiled by Tumblr. SUCH A BUMMER MAN.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
HAHAHA THAT SCREENCAP. I could not even deal with him when he was doing that, I wanted to slap his stupid smug face so hard. Which is unfortunately something I am now feeling about Ben ALL THE TIME. Hahahahahahaha, your tag on the Low Cal Calzone Zone gif post today made me want to fist pump. SHUT THE EFF UP, BEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU, YOU USED TO GET EXCITED ABOUT DORKY STUFF LIKE MODEL UN. I feel like Present-Day Ben would be like, "Uh, Leslie, this is a crazy amount of flags, why are you like this?" And that was NOT VERY LONG AGO.

Ugh, yes, amen to everythingggggggggg you just said. I USED TO GET SO INSANELY EXCITED TOO, ON PARKS DAY I USED TO BE KRISTEN BELL WITH THE SLOTH COMING TO MY PARTY, BUT NOW I AM MORE LIKE YAWN.GIF.
Edited 2012-02-03 22:14 (UTC)

[identity profile] ciachick711.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Confession: I have not watched Parks & Rec since "The Comeback Kid" and I think I missed an episode or two before that. I think most of it is me being a negative nelly about how much everyone suddenly loves the show, whereas I've been watching from the beginning, and people on tumblr are really irritating with their Ben Wyatt/Adam Scott love. It's like, people, do not tell me you started watching for Ben/Leslie, I will hate you forever. So that alone makes me sad that some place can suck so much fun out of fandom--why is tumblr so awful about that? LJ was not without its fandom fights, but for the most part, I felt like we all got along over here and wherever else we talked about stuff back in the day and it was fun to try and recruit new people. And yes, I'm curbing my time spent on tumblr. It just makes me angry, as this rant shows.

BUT having not seen many of the campaign episodes, I have to agree with you. I liked them bringing up this conflict at the end of last season, but since then, my interest in the campaign has waned. And I WANT Leslie to win the election and fulfill her dreams, like you said, but we know that can't happen. And maybe that's part of the reason I can't watch it. I find it so depressing.

Also, I confess I was never a huge fan of Andy and April getting married. I think some of the stuff they've done with them is funny--Ben moving in with them for instance--but I really miss them being sweetly awkward around one another and I ALSO miss things happening like, Ron showing up at April's parents house and April's sister.

[identity profile] ciachick711.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Like, WTF happened to episodes like Pawnee Goddesses?

Ahhh, the more I think about this, the more my brain is sad.

[identity profile] jcshelle.livejournal.com 2012-02-04 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Posting my comment in 2 parts since I'm over the character limit.

I typically refrain from commenting on LJ or Tumblr, but I stumbled upon this post and wanted to jump in because I pretty much completely disagreed with most of it. I personally have loved Season 4, particularly from End of the World on. I was worried earlier in the season because the show did feel a bit off (Ron and Tammys and Pawnee Goddesses are probably my least favorite episodes this season). Looking back, I think it's because I prefer episodes where the A/B/C plots are related or if separate, find a way to intersect at some point. This wasn't happening in some of the early season 4 episodes.

But the reason I'm posting is this. I honestly think that nitpicking and overanalyzing shows to death is what takes the joy out of watching them. Look, I like talking about my favorite shows too and interpreting various things and speculating on what may happen next, but sometimes, I think people take it too far. Especially the speculating part. People spend a lot of time thinking about how they think Ben and Leslie's relationship should be, or what should happen in the campaign storyline, or whichever other characters/arcs they're interested in, and then if plays out differently on screen, they get upset.

I also don't get the Ben criticism or the criticism of his relationship with Leslie. First of all, as I recall, lots of people were up in arms last summer about them potentially breaking up and then when they did, people couldn't stop talking about how they wanted them back together. And now that they are together, people are complaining about how they're boring or the tension is gone. Early in the season, people complained about the lack of screen time the two characters had together. And now? It's all about how the show is TOO focused on them. With the exception of the 3-episode arc leading up to them reuniting, it's not like every episode is all about them. I don't know what it is that people want.

Getting back to Ben specifically, how is he not on Leslie's side? How is he being a wet blanket/negative Nelly?? Ben WANTS her to win this election. And he is on HER side. But they're different people who are not always going to see eye to eye on things. It's great that Leslie is an optimist and she wants to run a positive campaign without resorting to negative campaigning. But her campaign ad was terrible. In recommending a different approach, Ben wasn't showing that he doesn't get her. And saying she needs to get tougher isn't a knock on her. As her campaign manager, he is simply advising her on what he thinks she needs to do to win this election. I was happy with the compromise they reached. No one steamrolled anyone else. They listened to each other's opinions and found middle ground.

As for the scavenger hunt in the last episode, I was really surprised to see that turn into an opportunity to dump on Ben both here and on Tumblr. I did not at any point see it as Ben being annoyed. If anything, he was flustered and frustrated. We've seen how easily Ben can crack under pressure. He wanted to get to Leslie and was worried he's never figure out the clues in time, and was probably also beating himself up over not being able to solve the puzzle. I also didn't see his "woman I have chosen to love" as a negative thing. All of season 3, I sort of felt like Ben had Leslie up on a pedestal and he saw her as perfect and someone who could do no wrong in his eyes. Well, now they're in a relationship and that "bubble" Leslie spoke of last season has burst. They're getting to know each other better, flaws and all. But despite those flaws, they're still choosing to be together. Couples are going to argue and get annoyed with each other from time to time. That doesn't mean they love each other any less.

[identity profile] jcshelle.livejournal.com 2012-02-04 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Part 2:

Anyway, getting back to the scavenger hunt, the fact that Ron enjoys and is skilled at solving riddles doesn't make him Leslie's soulmate and has been suggested. I'd actually like to look at this from a different angle. Ben feeling frustrated doesn't mean he didn't appreciate Leslie's gift to him or that he doesn't get her. I could easily turn the tables and try to make the argument that Leslie doesn't get Ben. Solving riddles requires a certain kind of skill and the ability to think figuratively. Ben is a smart guy, but more of a math whiz and probably someone who takes more of a literal approach. So I could say that while very thoughtful, Leslie created the type of scavenger hunt that she would like to solve without thinking about how Ben would feel about it. I'm not saying this though. And in the end, what does it matter? At the end of the episode, they both looked genuinely happy to be together and to be sharing their first "weird" Valentine's Day together and as a view, that's enough for me.

Lastly (and then I'll stop venting), I really think the election could go either way. Personally, because I don't want Leslie to turn into Pam and I don't want Parks to become The Office, I really hope Leslie wins. The fact that the show is called Parks and Recreation is irrelevant. If everyone stays in the same department and never gets promoted, then there is a definite risk of becoming The Office. Having Leslie in City Council would open up more stories and allow her character to grow. And her absence in the Parks department may allow other characters to grow and shine as they have to step up and take on new responsibilities. So, I have to say, I honestly don't get the point you were trying to make. You don't want Leslie to become Pam. You want her to win the election and have her dreams come true. But not having her work in the same department as April and Ron is apparently going to lead to some kind of emotional meltdown. You can't have it both ways.

And with that, I am now done reading LJ and Tumblr. These could be fun places to talk about a show I love with other like-minded people, but instead, it too easily turns into a toxic environment leading to anxiety and negativity.

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[identity profile] vylit.livejournal.com 2012-02-05 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I loved Ben and Leslie last season, and I really wanted them to get together this season, and when they did, it went downhill. I think you articulated exactly what drives me crazy about their relationship -- Ben thought Leslie was awesome and great and could do anything, and now he seems... like he tolerates her. It drives me crazy. Also, Leslie is incredibly competent, and they are making it look like she's completely ridiculous and BAD AT EVERYTHING. Ugh.

I want more hijinks and fun and silliness. I want less of this weird dynamic where Ben is awesome and tolerant because Leslie is so crazy stuff. I don't think Ben is awesome anymore; I think he believes he's better than Leslie, and that is one way to guarantee I don't like the guy.

I actually think Chris was hilarious last season, but he is boring the hell out of me this season. The flu episode and the hamburger episode KILLED ME DEAD, and about 60% of that was Chris.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2012-02-13 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
I have also been feeling very blurg about the last couple of episodes, and I can't even pinpoint quite way. Totally agreed though, that Leslie really needs to interact more with other characters besides Ben (especially Ron), and that if she doesn't get everything she wants, there is going to be a fucking riot.