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look to the pasta ([personal profile] annakovsky) wrote2012-02-02 04:11 pm
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Parks and Recreation and Mediocrity

I wrote this whole thing after last week's Parks episode, and it might be a really unpopular opinion but whatever, I'm going to post it now before tonight's because I am pretty concerned about the direction the show is going and I don't knowwwwwww, you guys. There hasn't been an episode I super loved and instantly wanted to rewatch since The Treaty back in November, and even before that there was a lot more mediocrity than last season, and with the campaign I'm worried they've painted themselves into a corner they won't be able to get out of. HOPEFULLY TONIGHT'S EPISODE WILL BE BETTER, BUT I AM WORRIED.

First of all, established relationships are boring, and all this focus on Leslie/Ben has been super boring. I thought once they were back together we could all move on with our lives and get back to the regular ensemble show, but Leslie is still spending most of her time interacting with Ben and ughhhhhhhhhhh. THEY'RE LIKE THE SAME PERSON, THERE'S NO TENSION HERE, LET HER TALK TO RON OR ANDY OR SOMETHING.

Then to GET tension in that relationship they keep -- like, okay. Full disclosure, I HATED Ben in the episode with the negative campaign ad. I did not see both sides. Most people did, and that's fine, but I REALLY DID NOT. I feel like going negative as the FIRST THING a campaign does is a shitty thing to do in the first place (especially when you're spending all your money on it, so it's the ONE THING that people will see about your candidate), and then wanting to go negative for LESLIE KNOPE is just like, have you ever met Leslie Knope? And then when Leslie said she would never do that in a million years, to keep pushing it? Uh, it was a pretty clear statement of what she wanted, and she's the candidate -- it's her name on the ad. So if she doesn't want to go negative, YOU DON'T GO NEGATIVE. And it didn't help that his first ad sounded like Gob Bluth's negative ad against Steve Holt. Like, I was fine with the compromise ad they eventually got to, but omg, so unacceptable before that.

Last week's episode wasn't as bad, because obviously Leslie was being obsessive (which was adorable as always) -- but. Basically Leslie was being the way she always is in that kind of situation, and Ben spent the whole episode being like, "BAD DOG. NO." It's not HELPFUL. You're never going to stop Leslie by acting like that! Ron Swanson would know never to act like that with her because it's pointless! And I just feel like lately Ben thinks things are wrong with Leslie ALL THE TIME. You're a steamroller, Leslie! No, wait, you have to be tougher, Leslie! Stop being so fixated, Leslie! That's not sexy fighting, that's just being kind of awful, even when you have a point. YOU'RE HER BOYFRIEND AND YOU USED TO THINK SHE WAS GREAT, WHY AREN'T YOU ON HER SIDE ANYMORE. And why is it always Leslie who has something wrong with her to manufacture tension between them? I CAN THINK OF A LOT OF THINGS WRONG WITH YOU, BEN, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START ENUMERATING THEM. 1) YOU'RE A WET BLANKET AND A NEGATIVE NELLY.

I mean, whatever, sometimes I still like them, and the kissing last week was super hot, but overall, Leslie/Ben is just getting old and there's too much of it and Ben is going to have to be a lot nicer/more delightful to win me back.

So that's a problem. And then overall I seem to come out of every episode feeling like the whole thing just didn't quite hang together, in a way I can't put my finger on. I think maybe with the campaign they just have too many balls in the air? Everyone feels scattered and not that funny, and I don't know what they should do to fix it, but it's just not quite working.

I think also maybe a lot of characters have gotten kind of one-note, so it feels more repetitive than great. Like... Tom hasn't done anything new and delightful since Treat Yo Self, just the same old schtick. April has had barely any storylines, and they all seem to revolve around her and Andy as a unit. Andy is sometimes literally too dumb to function. Donna NEVER gets storylines. Chris for some reason is still around, being a shallow insincere dbag and taking up screentime that should be given to Donna, who is funnier and more interesting.

And I am REALLY worried about the campaign issue. I feel like they brought the campaign into the mix as an obstacle for Leslie/Ben, without thinking through the implications. And now I worry that we're in a Pam Beesly situation, where we have brought up Leslie having big dreams, and raised the possibility of her getting those dreams, but because of the PREMISE OF THE SHOW, AS SEEN IN ITS TITLE, she cannot get those dreams while remaining on the show, so she will have to fail at them. And I swear to God, if Leslie fails at her dreams, I am going to burn Utica to the ground. IT WILL BE TEN TIMES WORSE THAN PAM FAILING AT HER DREAMS, AND THAT IS QUITE POSSIBLY MY #1 TV DISAPPOINTMENT OF ALL TIME.

And it's not going to be better if Ron gets to be assistant city manager so Leslie can be promoted, because if Ron and Leslie and April aren't in the same department I am going to SCATTER UTICA'S BURNT ASHES TO THE WIND AND PEE ON THEM, and so then I don't know how they're going to get themselves out of this one in a satisfactory manner, and if I think about that I basically go into a depression spiral. DDDDDDDDD:

Ugh, I might be stating this all a little strongly, because the episodes, with the exception of the negative ad one, have mostly been... fine. And maybe it's too much to ask that I should have a joysplosion every week like during season 3. But it is really sad to me that the show is going from joysplosion to just fine! It being Parks Day doesn't cheer me up anymore! BUMMER CITY. It's only season 4, and two of those seasons weren't even full seasons, WE SHOULD NOT BE HITTING THE SITCOM DECLINE YET.

[identity profile] sophia-helix.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm not terribly worried about Quincy Jones's daughter falling off the Hollywood radar, but honestly Hollywood only gives women a certain number of years and I don't want hers to be wasted just making sad faces at people all the time! She's too awesome to just be a straight woman forever.

The terrible thing is that I hadn't even watched the show in a couple of years at that point but my husband kept trying to get me to watch, so I was like fine, just one cold open AUGH GOD NO WHY. Even he was like "oops, okay, sorry, god, what the hell was that" and never made me watch it again.

[identity profile] sophia-helix.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
I have had a couple of drinks since my original post and now my brain is just reeling sadly saying "whyyyyy." I'm not anti-relationships or anti-kids or anti-people doing what makes them happy, but I sometimes wonder what the producers actually thought they were doing with those characters. I think maybe it was supposed to be funny? Or "realistic"? Instead of just crushingly depressing.

[identity profile] cereal.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I love Ben and Leslie and Parks & Rec and blah blah blah, but this afternoon I was actually mad it was on tonight and that I couldn't watch this stupid David Tennant movie I got instead, because I felt obligated to watch Parks. This may seem like a sidebar story or something, but it's pretty clear that WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME AND THIS SHOW is now a major concern, because it's apparently something I'm not even excited over anymore? Which means there's a problem and I think it's that everyone is in these ruts and I'm basically just watching the same episode, with slightly different jokes, every week. The things I'm supposed to care about, the campaign or whatever, are things that are actually contributing to the problem, I feel like?

Because it's such a narrow focus and they've tracked it out for so many episodes, and I'd really just like some good ol' whatever the sitcom equivalent of a Monster of the Week episode is and for people to be able to ride out the full rainbow of their personalities in loving color instead of: Andy says something that indicates a disconnect with reality, Ann is beautiful and there for Leslie, Ben has to ostensibly balance Leslie, but really no balancing is happening, and ugggh, seriously, have you seen David Tennant's face? It's good, but I wouldn't think it would take me from ALL OF PARKS, but just Parks is in a rut and eating Chinese food and changing into its pajamas every day right when it gets home from work and maybe Parks should force itself to go out to the pub quiz one night, or at least go to that knitting class at the library.

This Party Down joke better be epic, is what I'm saying.

[identity profile] zombie_boogie.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
I've generally been really positive about the show after each episode airs, and I've felt mostly good about where the season has been going so far, but I think you made some really good points here. Mainly, when I look back over the season, especially the post-winter hiatus episodes, I can't think of really any episodes that I LOVE loved like I did some episodes last season. Like, episodes that I want to re-watch a million times as soon as they finished airing. I would say my enjoyment of the show at present is still above your "fine", but it isn't at the level of "joysplosion". The episodes since the break have had a few really good jokes and character moments, but I haven't had huge moments of FEELINGS EXPLOSION (I mean, I have mini feelings explosions on Tumblr but Tumblr is this weird situation where, like, my brain turns off and I'm just like FACES MUST RE-BLOG). I haven't felt passionate enough about these episodes to the point where I am like, MUST PICSPAM AND TALK ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING. I'm just kind of like, "Yay Parks" because my default is "Yay Parks". I wouldn't say we're at the point of sitcom decline yet, but it's a shadow that's creeping out of the corner of my eye. Flanderization is a constant threat, even though at this point I think they're still doing a relatively good job at grounding the characters (I'm mostly afraid for Andy, because his Homer Simpson-like tendencies are becoming a bit out of hand without any "real" moments to balance them). To be honest I am... not as scared by the low ratings as some people. If it only got the rest of this season, or maybe one more, I think I would be happy to let the show go if it meant I could remember the show fondly without any bitterness instead of it dragging its beleaguered corpse into a billion seasons like The Office.

And I mean... I'm a really boring person who likes boring, established relationships, but obviously that's not going to do it for everyone. I didn't have as big of a problem with the Leslie/Ben interaction as some have expressed, though I will say that I had enough of reaction where there is a part of my brain that is like "OK this is fine, but if you do one more episode where Leslie is wrong and Ben is right and stuff we are going to have words, show." And I really don't want "Dave's Return" to be a prop to their relationship, because they don't need that! So. Nervous for next week. And I am DEEPLY CONCERNED about the outcome of this election. I don't want it to be a Michael Scott Paper Company thing, except on a bigger scale because I care ten million times more about Leslie's dreams than Michael Scott's. I want to trust these writers, but I'm so anxious about how this storyline is going to be resolved.

[identity profile] mouthsopen.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
AHHHH OMG if they make Leslie Knope turn into a Pam Beesley Situation THERE WILL BE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES. Ugh. What I liked about this show was how they let the characters grow and pursue their dreams, like Tom and Entertainment 720, but that ended up falling through. And I'm worried that Leslie's mayoral campaign will fall through too. It would just make me so sad for that to happen, because Leslie deserves the very best. I WANT HER TO BE A MAYOR AND HAVE THE LOVE OF HER LIFE. Like, I dunno. I know this is a sitcom and they all have their natural peaks and troughs, but I thought P&R was one of the special ones to change the status quo and not go down the same path. And omg, your icon, I cannot wait until he's back.

ALSO YES CAN DONNA SERIOUSLY GET MORE STORYLINES??? I am so fucking tired of Chris, I'm actually glad that he got dumped so we can stop hearing about how he was boning Millicent because honestly that's not something I want to think about.

[identity profile] inlovewithnight.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't watched since the holiday hiatus. :\ I had a weird, overly-personal, projecting reaction to Ben/Leslie, and it sounds like it would just get worse if I kept watching, so, yeah. I was hoping I'd marathon at the end of the season and catch up, but I haven't heard anything about the recent episodes that's really excited me. Sigh, TV, why you gotta be this way?

[identity profile] moireach.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING HOTTER THAN ENNUI/INAPPROPRIATE UNRECIPROCATED FEELINGS AND ALSO POSSIBLY SEXY TEXTING DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE ANY TIME TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Except discuss it endlessly.

[identity profile] moireach.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
Um, I need that fic in my eyeballs IMMEDIATELY. Apocalypse bunkers have been so thin on the ground in my life since Buffy fandom died. And I think everyone from TGS would turn out to be surprisingly resourceful in different, disturbing ways.

[identity profile] moireach.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
Can't wait to build my time machine and rescue that girl who did the coal walk. Before she was terminally infected by halpertitis.

[identity profile] grenadine.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, I feel less bad about not keeping up AT ALL this season. :(

[identity profile] peopleareshapes.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)


BEN IS A COOL GUY WITH COOL IDEAS

I actually didn't notice him coping more attitude because frankly I tend to tune out B/L a lot of the time, I REALLY LOVE THEM SEPARATELY, but together it's just like, SNORE, and Ben has always been an Eyore, except in this episode it's like he cranked it up to 11!!!! "This is the woman I've chosen to love." Okay Mr. Low Cal Calzone Zone?

Definitely think everyone is more of a caricature. Aziz just delivers bits from his stand up, I don't even see Tom anymore, it's just Aziz. Andy went from lovably daffy to possibly needing professional help and April is more of his guide/someone who thinks of him as a fun science experiment vs. how sweet and on a similar wavelength they used to be. The way the writers treat Donna is egregious and Chris really needs to fuck off. I mean, I am basically just repeating your true words, but I used to get so excited for Parks night that I'd make myself nervous and now I forget it's on until I'm spoiled by Tumblr. SUCH A BUMMER MAN.

[identity profile] ciachick711.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Confession: I have not watched Parks & Rec since "The Comeback Kid" and I think I missed an episode or two before that. I think most of it is me being a negative nelly about how much everyone suddenly loves the show, whereas I've been watching from the beginning, and people on tumblr are really irritating with their Ben Wyatt/Adam Scott love. It's like, people, do not tell me you started watching for Ben/Leslie, I will hate you forever. So that alone makes me sad that some place can suck so much fun out of fandom--why is tumblr so awful about that? LJ was not without its fandom fights, but for the most part, I felt like we all got along over here and wherever else we talked about stuff back in the day and it was fun to try and recruit new people. And yes, I'm curbing my time spent on tumblr. It just makes me angry, as this rant shows.

BUT having not seen many of the campaign episodes, I have to agree with you. I liked them bringing up this conflict at the end of last season, but since then, my interest in the campaign has waned. And I WANT Leslie to win the election and fulfill her dreams, like you said, but we know that can't happen. And maybe that's part of the reason I can't watch it. I find it so depressing.

Also, I confess I was never a huge fan of Andy and April getting married. I think some of the stuff they've done with them is funny--Ben moving in with them for instance--but I really miss them being sweetly awkward around one another and I ALSO miss things happening like, Ron showing up at April's parents house and April's sister.

[identity profile] ciachick711.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Like, WTF happened to episodes like Pawnee Goddesses?

Ahhh, the more I think about this, the more my brain is sad.

[identity profile] cleversimon.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my god. That's what happened to Pam?

I haven't actually watched The Office since -- wow, I think since Jim proposed? It's been forever, anyway. They got married and had a baby, that was all I'd heard, and I don't know what I was hoping for, but it was something a hell of a lot better than that.

I am legit bummed out now. :(

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
UGH, that was totally my experience too, just, like, a confusing lack of enthusiasm, even though the show wasn't actively bothering me! DDDDDD: TRAGIC.

But yes, exactly, all the repetition and caricature and the stuck in a rut! I enjoyed last night's episode more, but I feel like that might've just been that I've finally lowered my expectations and as long as Ron and April and Leslie are being delightful I don't care what other bullshit is going on or how shitty of a boyfriend Ben is. D:

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I WANT HER TO BE A MAYOR AND HAVE THE LOVE OF HER LIFE.

ME TOO, EXACTLY, I NEED THAT SO MUCH. And ugh, I seriously thought P&R was going to buck the trend too, I hope it comes back really strong, but ughhhhh, so nervous!

AND FOR REAL ON DONNA AND CHRIS RIGHT? At least Chris was funny last night, but the him/Millicent storylines were the worstttttttttttttttttttttttt. DONNA IS SO MUCH FUNNIER WITH JUST THE ONE LINE SHE GETS PER EPISODE.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, well, I will say, Leslie did stop steamrolling Ben! Now it is all the other way around! :/ I'm hoping it picks up in the rest of the season but I'm worriedddddd.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, well, for the record, it's still better than all the other bullshit I watch on TV, but I wish it was still FREAKING AMAZING, EVERY SINGLE WEEK. D:

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
HAHAHA THAT SCREENCAP. I could not even deal with him when he was doing that, I wanted to slap his stupid smug face so hard. Which is unfortunately something I am now feeling about Ben ALL THE TIME. Hahahahahahaha, your tag on the Low Cal Calzone Zone gif post today made me want to fist pump. SHUT THE EFF UP, BEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU, YOU USED TO GET EXCITED ABOUT DORKY STUFF LIKE MODEL UN. I feel like Present-Day Ben would be like, "Uh, Leslie, this is a crazy amount of flags, why are you like this?" And that was NOT VERY LONG AGO.

Ugh, yes, amen to everythingggggggggg you just said. I USED TO GET SO INSANELY EXCITED TOO, ON PARKS DAY I USED TO BE KRISTEN BELL WITH THE SLOTH COMING TO MY PARTY, BUT NOW I AM MORE LIKE YAWN.GIF.
Edited 2012-02-03 22:14 (UTC)

[identity profile] zarahemla.livejournal.com 2012-02-04 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
This convo makes me so glad I quit the Office before I saw any of this bullshit, because I would have to drive up and kill me some writers.

[identity profile] jcshelle.livejournal.com 2012-02-04 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Posting my comment in 2 parts since I'm over the character limit.

I typically refrain from commenting on LJ or Tumblr, but I stumbled upon this post and wanted to jump in because I pretty much completely disagreed with most of it. I personally have loved Season 4, particularly from End of the World on. I was worried earlier in the season because the show did feel a bit off (Ron and Tammys and Pawnee Goddesses are probably my least favorite episodes this season). Looking back, I think it's because I prefer episodes where the A/B/C plots are related or if separate, find a way to intersect at some point. This wasn't happening in some of the early season 4 episodes.

But the reason I'm posting is this. I honestly think that nitpicking and overanalyzing shows to death is what takes the joy out of watching them. Look, I like talking about my favorite shows too and interpreting various things and speculating on what may happen next, but sometimes, I think people take it too far. Especially the speculating part. People spend a lot of time thinking about how they think Ben and Leslie's relationship should be, or what should happen in the campaign storyline, or whichever other characters/arcs they're interested in, and then if plays out differently on screen, they get upset.

I also don't get the Ben criticism or the criticism of his relationship with Leslie. First of all, as I recall, lots of people were up in arms last summer about them potentially breaking up and then when they did, people couldn't stop talking about how they wanted them back together. And now that they are together, people are complaining about how they're boring or the tension is gone. Early in the season, people complained about the lack of screen time the two characters had together. And now? It's all about how the show is TOO focused on them. With the exception of the 3-episode arc leading up to them reuniting, it's not like every episode is all about them. I don't know what it is that people want.

Getting back to Ben specifically, how is he not on Leslie's side? How is he being a wet blanket/negative Nelly?? Ben WANTS her to win this election. And he is on HER side. But they're different people who are not always going to see eye to eye on things. It's great that Leslie is an optimist and she wants to run a positive campaign without resorting to negative campaigning. But her campaign ad was terrible. In recommending a different approach, Ben wasn't showing that he doesn't get her. And saying she needs to get tougher isn't a knock on her. As her campaign manager, he is simply advising her on what he thinks she needs to do to win this election. I was happy with the compromise they reached. No one steamrolled anyone else. They listened to each other's opinions and found middle ground.

As for the scavenger hunt in the last episode, I was really surprised to see that turn into an opportunity to dump on Ben both here and on Tumblr. I did not at any point see it as Ben being annoyed. If anything, he was flustered and frustrated. We've seen how easily Ben can crack under pressure. He wanted to get to Leslie and was worried he's never figure out the clues in time, and was probably also beating himself up over not being able to solve the puzzle. I also didn't see his "woman I have chosen to love" as a negative thing. All of season 3, I sort of felt like Ben had Leslie up on a pedestal and he saw her as perfect and someone who could do no wrong in his eyes. Well, now they're in a relationship and that "bubble" Leslie spoke of last season has burst. They're getting to know each other better, flaws and all. But despite those flaws, they're still choosing to be together. Couples are going to argue and get annoyed with each other from time to time. That doesn't mean they love each other any less.

[identity profile] jcshelle.livejournal.com 2012-02-04 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Part 2:

Anyway, getting back to the scavenger hunt, the fact that Ron enjoys and is skilled at solving riddles doesn't make him Leslie's soulmate and has been suggested. I'd actually like to look at this from a different angle. Ben feeling frustrated doesn't mean he didn't appreciate Leslie's gift to him or that he doesn't get her. I could easily turn the tables and try to make the argument that Leslie doesn't get Ben. Solving riddles requires a certain kind of skill and the ability to think figuratively. Ben is a smart guy, but more of a math whiz and probably someone who takes more of a literal approach. So I could say that while very thoughtful, Leslie created the type of scavenger hunt that she would like to solve without thinking about how Ben would feel about it. I'm not saying this though. And in the end, what does it matter? At the end of the episode, they both looked genuinely happy to be together and to be sharing their first "weird" Valentine's Day together and as a view, that's enough for me.

Lastly (and then I'll stop venting), I really think the election could go either way. Personally, because I don't want Leslie to turn into Pam and I don't want Parks to become The Office, I really hope Leslie wins. The fact that the show is called Parks and Recreation is irrelevant. If everyone stays in the same department and never gets promoted, then there is a definite risk of becoming The Office. Having Leslie in City Council would open up more stories and allow her character to grow. And her absence in the Parks department may allow other characters to grow and shine as they have to step up and take on new responsibilities. So, I have to say, I honestly don't get the point you were trying to make. You don't want Leslie to become Pam. You want her to win the election and have her dreams come true. But not having her work in the same department as April and Ron is apparently going to lead to some kind of emotional meltdown. You can't have it both ways.

And with that, I am now done reading LJ and Tumblr. These could be fun places to talk about a show I love with other like-minded people, but instead, it too easily turns into a toxic environment leading to anxiety and negativity.

[identity profile] annakovsky.livejournal.com 2012-02-04 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. I really don't know what to say to this, because it is honestly one of the weirdest comments I've ever gotten, and I've had this journal a long, long time. Did you just come into my fandom livejournal to... scold me for talking about fandom?

It is totally fine that you completely disagree with me. I do not mind in the least. Like I said at the beginning of this post, I know this is an unpopular opinion and one that puts me in the minority. If you are a big Leslie/Ben lover, believe me, you should have NO TROUBLE finding people who completely agree with you. As far as I can tell, tumblr is a place to store every possible gif of every time Ben and Leslie have ever kissed. We obviously just have very different tastes, since your least favorite episodes of the season are my most favorites. That is completely fine.

But it is really uncool for you to run around telling other people they're not allowed to disagree with you, and that if they do, they are turning the fandom into "a toxic environment." Especially when you also seem upset by things that I didn't say in this post (I didn't discuss the scavenger hunt episode AT ALL, since I posted this a few hours before that episode even aired, and wrote it about a week before), and to be blaming me for opinions I don't hold! (Saying that people used to complain about Leslie and Ben not having enough screen time -- uh, yeah, I never complained about that. I can't help what big Leslie/Ben shippers complain about.)

I definitely was not trying to kill anyone's enjoyment of the show with this post -- EVERYWHERE that I posted it (my personal LJ and my personal tumblr) it was clearly marked as having negative opinions, so that people could avoid them if they didn't want their parade rained on. I have no idea how you got here, but it's not like I posted this in the Leslie/Ben community, or anywhere anyone could see it without putting some effort in. You must have known this was negative before you clicked on it, so I'm sorry it upset you, but if you have this much of a hair trigger on opinions you disagree with, maybe you should avoid purposefully reading them.

[identity profile] vylit.livejournal.com 2012-02-05 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I loved Ben and Leslie last season, and I really wanted them to get together this season, and when they did, it went downhill. I think you articulated exactly what drives me crazy about their relationship -- Ben thought Leslie was awesome and great and could do anything, and now he seems... like he tolerates her. It drives me crazy. Also, Leslie is incredibly competent, and they are making it look like she's completely ridiculous and BAD AT EVERYTHING. Ugh.

I want more hijinks and fun and silliness. I want less of this weird dynamic where Ben is awesome and tolerant because Leslie is so crazy stuff. I don't think Ben is awesome anymore; I think he believes he's better than Leslie, and that is one way to guarantee I don't like the guy.

I actually think Chris was hilarious last season, but he is boring the hell out of me this season. The flu episode and the hamburger episode KILLED ME DEAD, and about 60% of that was Chris.

[identity profile] sophia-helix.livejournal.com 2012-02-06 08:05 am (UTC)(link)
Yeahhh, that was a good time to stop watching. That season finished up wobbily, with Pam trying to do her design school thing, then transparently quitting to come back and be with Jim all the time, and the episode where he bought his parents' awful house was just... awful. I think they were trying to be realistic, or treat those characters as carelessly as they treat their other characters, and maybe I was too invested, but I felt pretty stomped on. Things devolved from there. I quit watching after they had baby #1 and wished I'd quit earlier.

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